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    This is quoted from TSN which is quoted from the STC portion of the forum. Trying to get as much feedback as possible.

    Alright, this is quoted from the STC New England portion of Sixth Sphere:
    "Alright, the rundown. I was talking with Justin (d3ad1ysp0rk) this evening and we briefly touched on the subject of getting people together and what not and I got to thinking...

    ...at one point in time I was thoroughly motivated to revive "The Race Car", a deceased gold 97' (I think) SL2, formerly owned by our friend Bill who built, raced, and loved the car so much. It ended up in our hands after the former owner dropped all of the hard goods into a 2nd gen SC2, the new race car, with intentions of returning this thing to the street. After losing the time and means to do so it came to us. It has sat for well over a year in our driveway, slowly deprived of more and more parts. I, as well as my Dad, have had on and off intentions of putting her back together, but with a lack of time it has never came to.

    It needs tons! There is no drivetrain, no brakelines, no interior, no front suspension, no wiring harness nothing. This car has been raped hard. Now here is the kicker! I got royally screwed on a 93' SL2 that was intended for a friend after the jackass that sold it to us decided not to cooperate with us on the title situation. This car is almost mechanically stellar, and lucky for us Saturns are interchangeable. Now this is till an idea, far-fetched maybe, and in order to pull it off I'd need some help. And I have absolutely no problem raping it for shit since I despise the car for all of the trouble it has caused.

    Off the bat, I can see dropping the engine cradle/front suspension out of the 93' all in one shot (undo the four, I think, bolts holding in the cradle and the six at the strut towers) and stuffing it into the race car. Probably try and snag the brakelines and run those through the car before the engine bay is crowded. So on and so forth. If I step up I'll need the car done for Sept. 13th, the day I get my license back. From there car will become my winter car/daily driver till I get done with school come spring. What do you guys think?"
    Alright, now I'm trying to figure out what the best possible approach to the situation. The "race car" is almost immobile, and like stated there is almost nothing left of it. The 93' is fully mobile. We have garage space. We don't have an engine crane, but we do have a come-along hook and chain that I'm sure could be jimmy rigged to hoist a motor. I was thinking about dropping the cradle, front suspension, and drivetrain in full but I don't know if its possible for us to get the rest of the car high enough to clear what we've taken. I also thought about pulling the motor, and then swapping out the strut/front suspension/cradle into the race car, and then dropping the drivetrain into it... the underpinnings of the race car are pretty well picked over and I just assume it'd be easier to just swap something complete into it (no hubs/spindles/rotors&calipers, misc hardware, etc.). In everyone's experiences what can you throw at me for recommendations/opinions?

    And the race car in its prime for those curious:


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    I'm more or less interested in just getting it up and running...
    '94 SL2: The Detail Junky (Will it ever run? Does it even exist?)
    '95 SW2: The Daily Junky 3 (388k Champion)
    '95 SL2: The Daily Junky 5 (aka Snow Junky 2)

    The Detail Junky Build

    "Saturn people like a different kind of Escargot: Redefining the association between Saturns and Snails."

    For Sale Thread (Current Items: 9-Bolt Head, 9-Bolt Timing Cover, 5-Bolt Timing Cover)
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    have you decided what you wanna do about the pcm?

    for ease i bet taking the motor and trans out then taking the cradle and all the goodies and putting them on then dropping them in would be easier than trying to hump two cars around and get them in place. thats just my personal opinion.
    [color=red]-Tyler[/color]<br /><br />2005 Chevy Trailblazer<br />1999 Saturn SL2<br />2002 Suzuki Bandit 1200

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    • #3
      wold look even sexier if it were silver. hehehe
      2007 chevy classic 2500hd 4x4 duramax
      1996 383 lt1 auto trans am
      1995 sl1. single cam of fury
      1995 jeep wrangler lifted 4x4 4.0
      1995 ford explorer 4x4

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      • #4
        I think the only conflicts between the 93' drivetrain and the OBD2 pcm are the injectors, and one other thing, I'll have to ask dad again.

        Umm, yeah. I'm going to have to find a loaner engine hoist. Pull the motor out of the 93', swap cradles/front suspension, drop the motor back into the 97'. Need to drain the brake fluid of the 93' so I can pull the brakelines (again, they came originally out of the 97'... *idiot*). And the harness is usuable, but I may see if I can't find an accessory matching 2nd gen harness to put back into it (the original is dyked up because alot was removed for weight savings). I'm still skeptical about the reality of the project...
        '94 SL2: The Detail Junky (Will it ever run? Does it even exist?)
        '95 SW2: The Daily Junky 3 (388k Champion)
        '95 SL2: The Daily Junky 5 (aka Snow Junky 2)

        The Detail Junky Build

        "Saturn people like a different kind of Escargot: Redefining the association between Saturns and Snails."

        For Sale Thread (Current Items: 9-Bolt Head, 9-Bolt Timing Cover, 5-Bolt Timing Cover)
        Wanted Thread (None)

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        • #5
          Swap the OBDII system over to it, which should be relatively easy, swap fuel pump and all.
          Also, you'll want to change your axles, I could be mistaken, but the axles won't swap between these two years, there is a slight size difference between them, especially since the ABS axles were on the 97, but I'm not sure if the axles will fit into the suspension.

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          • #6
            Swap the OBDII system over to it, which should be relatively easy, swap fuel pump and all.
            You're joking right?

            Also, you'll want to change your axles, I could be mistaken, but the axles won't swap between these two years, there is a slight size difference between them, especially since the ABS axles were on the 97, but I'm not sure if the axles will fit into the suspension.
            ABS or not it, that has nothing to do with that. Axles dont go into your suspension either, they go into your hub, the rotating mass.

            91-94 axle spindles are smaller in diameter. 95+ are larger and all swap. ABS OR NOT HAS NOTHING to do with it.
            07 Redline w/ stuff.<br /><br />89 Civic hatch w/o stuff.<br /><br />96 SL2 that dont need stuff.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jeremy97sc
              Swap the OBDII system over to it, which should be relatively easy, swap fuel pump and all.
              You're joking right?

              Also, you'll want to change your axles, I could be mistaken, but the axles won't swap between these two years, there is a slight size difference between them, especially since the ABS axles were on the 97, but I'm not sure if the axles will fit into the suspension.
              ABS or not it, that has nothing to do with that. Axles dont go into your suspension either, they go into your hub, the rotating mass.

              91-94 axle spindles are smaller in diameter. 95+ are larger and all swap. ABS OR NOT HAS NOTHING to do with it.
              aren't the 98 and up also different axles as well? (meaning at the input)
              -Vinny

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              • #8
                Axles really shouldn't matter... I'm taking the everything from under the 93'... basically the cradle with drivetrain and front suspension.
                '94 SL2: The Detail Junky (Will it ever run? Does it even exist?)
                '95 SW2: The Daily Junky 3 (388k Champion)
                '95 SL2: The Daily Junky 5 (aka Snow Junky 2)

                The Detail Junky Build

                "Saturn people like a different kind of Escargot: Redefining the association between Saturns and Snails."

                For Sale Thread (Current Items: 9-Bolt Head, 9-Bolt Timing Cover, 5-Bolt Timing Cover)
                Wanted Thread (None)

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                • #9
                  aren't the 98 and up also different axles as well? (meaning at the input)
                  That's what I was trying to say before Jeremy got pwned by his reading abilities. lol.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lilcraigford
                    Axles really shouldn't matter... I'm taking the everything from under the 93'... basically the cradle with drivetrain and front suspension.
                    I'd question the fitment. There is a slight difference from the 1st Gen - 2nd Gen front-ends. They look similar, but the frame is slightly different.

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                    • #11
                      Swap in an LLO-T [img]{SMILIES_PATH}/biggrin.gif[/img]
                      -6S Resident Mechanical Forensics member #001.
                      1995 SC2 Turbo 3.6L DOHC, 6sp manual, Ford 8.8 rearend running on MS3x.
                      1998 F-250 5.4L triton...stock.

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                      • #12
                        [quote="S.Bretz"]Swap in an LLO-T :P

                        But serisouly, someday, after I get my car going full tilt, and I can afford to, (assuming that this goes through) I wouldn't mind going in a different direction with this car (as opposed to the direction I'm taking mine).
                        '94 SL2: The Detail Junky (Will it ever run? Does it even exist?)
                        '95 SW2: The Daily Junky 3 (388k Champion)
                        '95 SL2: The Daily Junky 5 (aka Snow Junky 2)

                        The Detail Junky Build

                        "Saturn people like a different kind of Escargot: Redefining the association between Saturns and Snails."

                        For Sale Thread (Current Items: 9-Bolt Head, 9-Bolt Timing Cover, 5-Bolt Timing Cover)
                        Wanted Thread (None)

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