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**Anonymous** · 05-13-2006, 02:53 PM

for $400 shipped, I would pass. couple yrs ago I bought a freshly rebuilt T3 super 60 for $350 shipped. Honestly, I would keep looking.

**S.Bretz** · 05-13-2006, 05:40 PM

t3/t4 with a .63 or higher turbine a/r. That thing it punny. Try getting a turbone with a stage 3 wheel...nothing under that.

**bryanmckinlay** · 05-15-2006, 09:30 AM

sorry, what is considered a "stage 3 wheel" ? but thanx for the heads up... i almost bought it [img]{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif[/img]

what do you guys recomend for trim and a/r? i was suggested 48/60 or a 48/42 ( kinda small)

forgive me if i have the numbers mixed up! im sucha n00b lol

**slowion2** · 05-15-2006, 02:10 PM

go with the 60, better hole shot from longer spool time, but then again the 42 will be a lot more responsive

I'll go ahead and be the prick in this thread though, and tell you to go read a shit ton before you decide to venture into the whole world of turbochargers and how to add one to your car. talk with Elvis and if you can get a hold of him DCxMagus from TSN.

If I remember you barely had a grasp on nitrous not too long ago, now you're jumping into turbos. I'd keep researching before you buy anything.

**sl2fast** · 05-15-2006, 07:53 PM

like they said the 60 would be a good one, there is a ton of info out there and listen to the masters of turbos they wont steer ya wrong [img]{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif[/img]

**S.Bretz** · 05-15-2006, 08:06 PM

any turbo from this page will work.

http://precisionturbo.net/turbochargers ... ry_id=3026

The to4 turbine wheel spec is a typo. The largest is the t350 (stage 5 turbine). I think the t31 is a stage 3 wheel.

The stage5 spools kinda slow, basicly think of it as a t4 turbine wheel inside a t3 housing. They have about 90-95% of the torque and lag of a t4 turbine. Expect to start makeing around 6-8 psi by 3500 with the stg5 and arounf 18-22 psi by 4500is-5000ish. They flow alot and help keep the wheels plant becasue it itsn't instant boost...the bosst rolls in.

A stg3 is inbetween a stg5 and a stg1 (stock crap) turbine wheel. Good flow capabilities, and not as laggy.

**bryanmckinlay** · 05-16-2006, 12:32 AM

kool thanx alot turboo, that helps alot, as for shizzo... man why you always baggin on me

i was looking into turbo lllooooonnnggg before i even considered ntirous... did research on nitrous, decided it wasnt for me,

dont you think if i wasnt doing research, i would have boosted and blown up by now? that why i am asking these question on the forums.... on the "turbo thread" ? i know you are just giving me the answer you give every n00b. but still :0 i have done alot of reading, and got a few opinions, as far as ive read and been told, the 42or 48 is nice because for the low boost its a nice quick spool, but as tuurrrbboooo said the instant boost isnt always good! so these are things im trying to learn

thanx for the help though guys, its helping alot..... i will post pics and such when the parts start rolling in, then comes the MS, sooo much reading....

cheers

**saturn_06** · 05-16-2006, 05:54 AM

Originally posted by bryanmckinlay

kool thanx alot turboo, that helps alot, as for shizzo... man why you always baggin on me

i was looking into turbo lllooooonnnggg before i even considered ntirous...

listen man... since i came here i wanted turbo.... i did one yr of research and im STILL NOT ready to boost, cuz i have so much more to learn...

just keep reading, you'll know what to do when your motor cracks a rod or sumtin, instead of crying to us... Not to be prick or anything, but you really should read about turbo's, lag, detonation, oil taps, lines, it gets confusing.... just take your time to what your doing

and read

sorry if im a prick too, but im just givin ya a heads up

**slowion2** · 05-16-2006, 09:37 AM

I know what Sam said, I said the same thing.

I'm pretty sure I said "I'm going to be the prick in this thread." By that I mean I'm going to remind you to keep reading and researching until it's hammered into your brain. I'm not bagging on anyone, just making sure you're ahead of yourself, you don't want to end up totally knowledgeless on a certain area, it really sucks.

The biggest pain in the ass for you, as I'm finding right now and had said earlier, is finding a clutch that is going to hold decent power and be of good quality, along with being "streetable."

You haven't said anything about your fueling solutions, as well as cooling and a few other things, but I'm assuming you'll mention them all later on.

I've had my Ion a while, and have been working on it/planning out setups since the first or second week I had it. I still am not completely finished on any of the options I have just because there is so much that can go either way. I never said you were a n00b, I am just pointing out that there's a lot to consider and look into.

**bryanmckinlay** · 05-16-2006, 10:10 AM

ok thanks man, sorry if i came across... i just have a horrible way of wordiing some things! then i get offended! lol

as for fueling and cooler

im looking at a 2.0 ( if i cant a 2.5) hot side and a 2.5 ( hopefully a 3.0) post i/c. as for i/c havnt decided on one yet.... ive heard the bar and plate time is quite good .... but i dont know the specifics yet, gonna do some more research on that as well.

fueling... still trying to read alot... im prety sure i have decided on the megasquirt system.. but as for details with that.. as yousaid still gotta read alot more.... and hopefully get some help up that ally as well.

im working on a design for my i/c setup... but obviously im gonna need the manifold and turbo first.. before i can REALLY work on it.

shizzo, do you have a link or sumthing to pics of your ion? im really curious on how the ion guys run there i/c piping

**slowion2** · 05-16-2006, 12:51 PM

I'm still running the nitrous, so it woudln't help much looking at it, but you may want to talk to Elvis and ask him, he's running the stock WRX turdbo right now. we were just talking about upgrading it to an STi one this morning.

I know he's running the MS as an extra injector controller with much success so far, but running the MS as a full fuel standalone would work great as long as you had the time to work on it and get familiar with it. definitely possible.

I was looking into using a piggyback system such as a SAFC2 with larger injectors, but I'm not sure how the ecu will effect timing (i.e. if it will pull or advance as you add/remove fuel).

**AC66Bronco** · 05-16-2006, 01:30 PM

been reading this thread and sence it was brought up. will the ClutchMasters clutch that they make for the rl work for us as well? i assume it would but everyone knows what happes when you ass-u-me

**slowion2** · 05-16-2006, 01:33 PM

I have a creeping feeling it won't. you would have too look at a stock redline and stock ion clutch, and see if they both would bolt up the same.

isn't that one a 4 puck too? I'd rather stay with a really good street disc, or at most a sprung hub 6 puck if that.

**deleon517** · 05-16-2006, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by AC66Bronco

been reading this thread and sence it was brought up. will the ClutchMasters clutch that they make for the rl work for us as well? i assume it would but everyone knows what happes when you ass-u-me

it could possible be done like most other things. but i know the feel of the clutch is different. i use to work at saturn in the service dept. and the clutch felt like it was completely different. like vinny said i would have to be inspected and see how it bolts up.

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