Redline head and supercharger

[biggonzo]

I was told by plenty of saturn techs that the 2.0 redline head will blot on the the 2.2 block. I was also told that the 2.0 has the same block with lower compressed pistons. If that is true then with a redline ECU, head and blower I should be able to make it work right?

[slowion2]

there's more to it than just that

the LSJ harness is different than the 2.2's in a few ways, one of the most obvious being the 3 connectors vs. 2 connectors on the 2.2

the 2.0 block has a different crank which has been destroked, the rods and pistons are stronger than the 2.2's though they are not forged, but they are not what makes the compression lower, it's the crank I believe

it's possible to run the 2.0 head on a 2.2 block yes, but there's more work to make the blower assembly work properly

[GTI]

think about the statement, 2.0 block is the same as the 2.2 block.

a 2 liter block = 2.2 Liter Block?

either someone's lying, or a new rule for figuring out volume wa sjust made by a mathematician. I mean, I guess if yuo took the cylinders out and put cylinders from a 2.2 that would work, but just transferring the block, preassembled over and then seeing as the 2.2 pistons dont fit in a 2.0 cylinder, one would think "Whoopsy".

[sl2wycked]

think about the statement, 2.0 block is the same as the 2.2 block.

a 2 liter block = 2.2 Liter Block?

either someone's lying, or a new rule for figuring out volume wa sjust made by a mathematician. I mean, I guess if yuo took the cylinders out and put cylinders from a 2.2 that would work, but just transferring the block, preassembled over and then seeing as the 2.2 pistons dont fit in a 2.0 cylinder, one would think "Whoopsy".

displacement is figured from bore and stroke. the 2.0s crank is a shorter stroke than the 2.2. i dont actually know whether they are the exact same bores and just different cranks, but that's likley the difference. therefore the blocks would be the same. the cranks wouldn't.
but beyond that, the bores could be different too and the blocks could still be the same thing. from what i understand, a b series block is a b series block. b16s 18s and 20s all have the same block with a different crank and maybe different sleeves(bore sizes).

[slowion2]

yeah that's basically the jist here too

I guess I left it off in my above post, but the 2.0 and 2.2 blocks are the same EXCEPT for the oil squirters in the 2.0 cylinder bores. otherwise they're the same bore, just with a shorter stroke via the crank.

[biggonzo]

Well good thanks for all the info. I knew there had to be more to this project than what I was told. I find that most techs don't look into this stuff and us as tuners do. Again thanks for info.

[GTI]

think about the statement, 2.0 block is the same as the 2.2 block.

a 2 liter block = 2.2 Liter Block?

either someone's lying, or a new rule for figuring out volume wa sjust made by a mathematician. I mean, I guess if yuo took the cylinders out and put cylinders from a 2.2 that would work, but just transferring the block, preassembled over and then seeing as the 2.2 pistons dont fit in a 2.0 cylinder, one would think "Whoopsy".

displacement is figured from bore and stroke. the 2.0s crank is a shorter stroke than the 2.2. i dont actually know whether they are the exact same bores and just different cranks, but that's likley the difference. therefore the blocks would be the same. the cranks wouldn't.
but beyond that, the bores could be different too and the blocks could still be the same thing. from what i understand, a b series block is a b series block. b16s 18s and 20s all have the same block with a different crank and maybe different sleeves(bore sizes).

I thought it had a bigger bore. I know how to figure the displacement, just thought it was bigger bore. Oh ok thanks doubaclutchin! lol last time I saw you, you couldnt even speak.

[Anonymous]

think about the statement, 2.0 block is the same as the 2.2 block.

a 2 liter block = 2.2 Liter Block?

either someone's lying, or a new rule for figuring out volume wa sjust made by a mathematician. I mean, I guess if yuo took the cylinders out and put cylinders from a 2.2 that would work, but just transferring the block, preassembled over and then seeing as the 2.2 pistons dont fit in a 2.0 cylinder, one would think "Whoopsy".

displacement is figured from bore and stroke. the 2.0s crank is a shorter stroke than the 2.2. i dont actually know whether they are the exact same bores and just different cranks, but that's likley the difference. therefore the blocks would be the same. the cranks wouldn't.
but beyond that, the bores could be different too and the blocks could still be the same thing. from what i understand, a b series block is a b series block. b16s 18s and 20s all have the same block with a different crank and maybe different sleeves(bore sizes).

so you did pay attention in class or you already knew that?

[Red4Coupe]

The LSJ (2.0L) bore = L61 (2.2L) bore. Difference is in the stroke. I can't recall what the stroke actually is...also the 2.0 has a CAS (Cam Angle Sensor) that the 2.2L doesn't. Headwise...I don't know whether the 2.0L flows better or not, I'm assuming no.

My thoery behind the oil-squirters - If GM is using the L61 block to put down 1400+ HP it's good enough for me. I don't know what anyone has planned for these but I doubt you will EVER hit 1400 hp to utilize these squirters. They are one of those...hey I have oil squirters, do you? things. Whoop dee doo...you can have all the squirters you want. A 205 HP RL isn't going to beat a 400 HP QC, squirters or not.

[sl2wycked]

wow
just wow.
and frank, are we talking about the time i had a 102 fever and went to the dizzle anyways?

[slowion2]

wow
just wow.
and frank, are we talking about the time i had a 102 fever and went to the dizzle anyways?

yeah probably, you were in sad shape that night

[krivera]

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Big Gonz hows it hanging man!

ok here is the deal on crank. The stroke is reduced to 3.505 inches for high RPM. This will result in approximately 2.0 liters of displacement when used with a 3.400 inch bore (stock 2.2L bore) mm86/inches3.386

the Rods Length is 5.888 inches. Rod bearing diameter is 1.888 inches. Floating piston pin diameter is .829 inches.

on the 2.2L Bore is mm86/inches 3.386 (same bore as 2.0L) and Stroke 3.724 and when using a 5.768 rod you get the 2.2L and 10:1 Compression

hope that helps man

basically...different crank and other misc stuff that has been posted on the board

[biggonzo]

That did more than help thank you. I have a supercharger made and tested for the car on http://www.speedmafia.com It is a procharger. We just took one off my buddies mustang and the head unit was way to big but most of the stuff could have been made to make it work. So I think I will just buy the kit that has already been made. [img]{SMILIES_PATH}/biggrin.gif[/img]