Phantom grip

[neobudda]

Ive seen a lot of people on the saturn forums talk about them, so my question is, does it perform well? also, how difficult is the install? or do you think I should just bypass the whole thing, weld my diff, and call it a day?

[scottyr94]

I've heard alot of mixed reviews about it. I went ahead and bought it and liked it. Of course I didn't get to use a whole lot as the car only ran for a week after I installed it (due to the engine, not the tranny).

[RotorNutFD3S]

Yeah, don't get the PG just so that you can do two-wheel burnouts. You'll kill the spider gears. But if you do like having two wheel traction, it does the job well.

[sl2racer]

had mine for a couple years now. i actually had to swap trannies about a year ago and there was very little wear from the phantom grip. i raced my car alot and i am up in the +200 crank hp range. i say this because i down play what i don't actually have numbers for yet.

[Jamie Q.]

I've got the pg installed as well. If have alot of mile on your car, you might as well have the transmission rebuilt as well. It will only cost you a little more, all the money is in labor. Mine runs great and it does make a difference. I also had an ACT installed while all the shit was out too. It's works good but I still wish I just got a quaife.

[neobudda]

well, just judging by the response here, I think ill get the PG. also, as far as a whole tranny rebuild goes, what would I be looking at price wise? is it something that I could do myself?

[scottyr94]

Not to hijack, but what is all involved in a tranny rebuild? I'm sure the author wouldn't mind knowing as well. When I installed mine I just checked to make sure all the gears were fine, and replaced all the bearings and seals, including the big bearings on the diff (I was suprised at cost of those things).


Oh yeah, if you have a spare tranny or have yours out of the car, installing the PG isn't hard at all. Different Racing has a very good writup of trans teardown : http://www.differentracing.com/tech_art ... embly.html

[neobudda]

although Ive never rebuild a tranny, the parts you said that you replaced kinda sounds like rebuild to me. im not sure what else you would have to replace, well assuming all you gears and what-not are all ok. but if there is anything else, I would love to know

[S.Bretz]

There are litlte busing bettween the shift for and the synchronizor rings that can e replaced and busings in between the shift forlks and that shaft they all slide on...cheap little plastic things that make it hard to shift.

[SonicION]

ok, so what type of driving/power can the phantom grip handle? if i'm gonna be doing drag and auto-x on weekends, and have it as a daily driver, will it hold up to that, or should i go with a quaiffe instead?

[TheMU47]

It'll hold up just fine.
Under load, the cornering is tougher than it is with a quaife. The PG wants to pull you more straight. For drag racing, it works great.

[SonicION]

what do you mean "tougher"? will it act like a welded/locked diff in a hard turn? (i.e. bouncing, and juttering through the corner)

[TheMU47]

no, just wants to go straight a little. It works fine, I'm just saying it's a little tougher to turn at full throttle (under full load)

[SonicION]

ok, thanks.